Secondly, we probably differ on how we would define the point where things should be characterized as “bad” or “alarming” right? Where is that line? Should this be measured by the numbers of murders and disappearances and incarcerations of innocents initiated by those in power? Maybe it should be measured by the remaining rights of individual citizens? (To circle back towards Rod’s original post.) Or maybe it should be based on how much abuse of power local government/police officials can get away with. How nasty can the local officials make the life of a citizen if they if the official himself is particularly nasty?